Selected Pete

And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

Ok, So I watched it – Quid Pro Quo, Clarice? Selected Pete goes to see Fahrenheit 9/11

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Ok – so my liberal friends have been bugging me to see this film. One even double-dog dared me – yow-zah. I said I did not plan to see it, but I changed my mind. I decided this weekend to have a look at it (with a real, honest-to-goodness Bay Area liberal friend of ours, by the way, just to keep me honest!) She said that I behaved myself through it, though I grumbled a little bit I guess. Anyway – My overall impression of Fahrenheit 911 is that Mr Moore is creative and entertaining as usual – for liberals. If you are even slightly conservative, you will have a hard time stomaching this because, as usual, it has everything to do with Moore’s socialist world view and no one elses.

A typical liberal response to my posted research on Moore goes like this (actual post):

“…your content appauls me as I am very left, your endorsement of FarenHYPE 9/11 sickens me as it is just critisising the critisisers before looking at the facts and finding out why we stand for what we do.”

This liberal poster from Australia is referring to my endorsement of Fahrenhype 9/11 . He had endorsements of Moore pasted all over his site, but somehow I am not allowed to endorse anything from the other side of the coin. That doesn’t seem very tolerant and diverse to me….

Anyway – snap back to our world –

I watched every last, gasping minute of F911, and I have to say that if I was a liberal, I would think the movie was a great cheerleading tool for frenzied Palm Beachians going through “How To Punch A Ballot 101”.

As a fact checker, I find F911 completely devoid of any context, and rank it along with news and commentary you might get from the Daily Show (Is Moore a writer there?). People like John Stewart and Michael Moore, while quite witty and charming, simply place bits and pieces of random quotes, video and sound bytes into their own version of political Mystery Science Theater .
Moore prattles on through the entire film inserting witty and rapier-sharp commentary about the idiot who is our president ala “what do you suppose Bush was thinking when all of this was taking place?” Again, this is all great for a liberal audience, but Moore’s condescension gets
older and older as the film labors on.

Moore’s last hoorah in this film is a poor woman named Lila Lipscomb who admittedly, has lost a beloved son in the Iraq war, and who, just happens to be from….Flint Michigan. The tale is sad, and very heart-wrenching. Moore has found his star witness here who gets to the inevitable question of “why did my son have to die, and what for?”

Somehow Moore manages to pass up Specialist Robert Unruh’s family. Lance Corporal Michael Allred knew that what he was doing was right when he died instantly from a car bomb in September 2004. Private Adam Harris wrote that he was scared, But he also felt good when Iraqi children and families would thank the soldiers. Back in the States, he felt proud when people thanked him for serving. He was later shot through the head by a sniper. That minor research took me a whopping 5 minutes to find in Google, but Moore found his one witness and ran with it. Mike – Glad you were able to get your point across.

This movie which the LA Times dubs “Excellent!” is, probably very excellent by their standards. Not mine. That’s why I purchased Fahrenhype 9/11 and that is why I read both Michael Moore and people like Dave Kopel. Dave, unlike my Australian liberal friend, knows what facts are, and he has posted a few here:

To my liberal friends: I watched your side – now, will you watch mine? Will you actually double click the URL above to see another side? A standing bet I have is that I visit Moore’s site more than most liberals do. I do this because I want to know all of the angles before I decide who to vote for. The more I look, the more I love America. I just got a widescreen TV this year, so come hang out with me this next week and see what Moore didn’t want to tell you.

I double dog dare you 8-}

Written by selectedpete

October 23, 2004 at 10:11 pm

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  1. You’ve made an excellent point that warrants pondering.

    Free Spirit

    October 25, 2004 at 12:19 am

  2. Nice blog. Loved FarenHYPE 9/11 too!

    Vigilant Times

    October 26, 2004 at 6:01 pm

  3. well, i dont agree that moore is a socialist, no matter how many times i hear it said. i think its the sort of label that is thrown at him to activate people’s cultural immune system to throw out points that he makes before he even makes them.

    that said, its not the most stunning movie in the world. he goes after small game and sometimes poorly. the important thing that he did was to open a lot of regular people’s eyes to the fact that things are slanted. obviously, he did that by slanting it in the opposite direction.

    if you want to watch a movie that is much more damning to the administration (which im guessing that you dont based on your comments), i would recommend greg palast’s “bush family fortunes” for the bbc. if youre willing to take a few steps beyond that, mike ruppert has “truth and lies of 9/11” which is the absolute best of all the movies ive seen toeing that line.


    tim boucher

    October 27, 2004 at 8:56 pm

  4. I love the challenge at the end. Pretty much covers the way I see it as well.

    I watched both F 9/11 and F-Hype 9/11 why can’t they? Can’t they take the heat? I sat through MM’s fact-devoid propaganda. Can’t they face a few facts?

    You might also try MM Hates America (Mike Wilson) and Mike and Me (Larry Elder) – great shows I saw at the American Renaissance Film Festival.

    Keep up the good blogging!

    J at TAotB


    October 27, 2004 at 9:34 pm

  5. “As a fact checker, I find F911 completely devoid of any context”

    I’d much prefer as a fact checker you list the facts that were not facts. Or at least those you thought were important.

    I am not one who hates or even dislikes Bush, neither do I think he is stupid or ignorant. The problem with Bush in my estimation is the hypocrisy.

    Kerry is weak on defence but he went to Vietnam, Bush did not.

    Bush used the ‘Guard’ to avoid service, but he employs the “Guard” in this Iraq conflict way beyond what one would expect from a National Guard.

    Bush did not complete his National Guard service, at least that’s what I believe; yet he extends the service of those in the guard now.

    There are others, but getting back to the film, is there anything worse than his sitting there when the planes were being used as weapons. Here is Mr Tough Guy and he just sits there. Damning!


    October 28, 2004 at 6:32 am

  6. It is all about spin. Both sides do it. it is part of being bipartisan. I would love to have someone who is truely independent do a truely unbiased piece on all the hype from both sides. As usual, I am guessing, the “real” truth lays between the two sides on this one.

    Love and Light,


    October 28, 2004 at 10:53 am

  7. Pete, it’s nice to see someone from the right that is not a raving lunatic. Seriously, many of the comments over this issue have been extremely inflammatroy (that includes Moore’s F9/11, by the way).

    Personally, I wouldn’t get bogged down in a defence of Mr Moore as he is, as you pointed out, not the most accurate of commentators. Not his job, not his style.

    But just one sad figure to round off. I heard there have been 20,000 civilian deaths in Irag since the invasion. That’s quite a figure, and another reason why I think the whole thing is a mess.

    Michael Leahy

    October 28, 2004 at 11:38 am

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